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For Starters, the to do list:
 
 
 
===Pre-trip to do===
 
===Pre-trip to do===
* Order hardware for precip stands
 
 
* order new anemometers
 
* order new anemometers
* Propane stove?
 
* Tent
 
 
* Program Edit (radio turn off flag addition)
 
* Program Edit (radio turn off flag addition)
* Square drive bit
 
 
* Grinder bit for unistrut (antenna unistrut)
 
* Grinder bit for unistrut (antenna unistrut)
 +
* (track down) '''9/16" Deep Socket'''
  
 
===Things to buy===
 
===Things to buy===
* Buy Tarps, Straps,
+
* Bit o' Food?
* Small drill bit that will fit in a hex deal.
+
** bread & peanut butter (lunch)
* Duct Tape
+
** coke
* 3/8" x 1.25" bolt x 8pcs
+
** yogurt & granola (breakfast)
 +
** veggies
 +
** ice
 +
* buy unistrut for Anvil locally.
  
 
===Stuff to bring out===
 
===Stuff to bring out===
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* (packed) Net Radiometer Domes
 
* (packed) Net Radiometer Domes
 
* (packed) 4 Tees
 
* (packed) 4 Tees
* (tape up) screed stakes
+
* (packed) screed stakes
* (tape up) 3/4" pipe
+
* (tape up) 3/4" pipe & unistrut
 
* (packed) 12 hoseclamps
 
* (packed) 12 hoseclamps
 
* (packed) Dry Dessicant
 
* (packed) Dry Dessicant
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* (packed) 6pcs SR50A
 
* (packed) 6pcs SR50A
 
* (packed) 1pcs SR50
 
* (packed) 1pcs SR50
* '''Antenna all fixed up for Anvil & extra radio / relay'''
+
* Antenna all fixed up for Anvil & extra radio / relay
 +
** (packed) '''Radio Coax for Anvil 2'''
 
** (packed) relay
 
** (packed) relay
 
** (packed) antenna
 
** (packed) antenna
 +
* (packed) spare coax
  
 
==== Technical Gear ====
 
==== Technical Gear ====
* '''Shotgun'''
+
* (packed) '''Shotgun'''
 
* (packed) Keypad
 
* (packed) Keypad
 
* (packed) Tool Bags  
 
* (packed) Tool Bags  
 
* (in office) Computer & (packed) SC32B  
 
* (in office) Computer & (packed) SC32B  
* '''Climbing harness''' (in car?)
+
* (packed) Climbing harness
* grinding bits (at home)
+
* (packed)''' grinding bits '''
 
*(packed) Serial Cables & spares
 
*(packed) Serial Cables & spares
* '''NRS straps for battery boxes'''
+
* (packed) NRS straps for battery boxes
* A couple of replacement brown tarps
+
* (shelved for this trip) A couple of replacement brown tarps
 
* (packed) Sawzall
 
* (packed) Sawzall
 
* (packed) drill
 
* (packed) drill
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# Bob Personal backpack [Bob #2]
 
# Bob Personal backpack [Bob #2]
 
# Work Actionpacker #1 [Bob #3]
 
# Work Actionpacker #1 [Bob #3]
# Screed stakes [Larry #1]
+
# Pipe  [Larry #1]
 
# Work Actionpacker #2 [Larry #2]
 
# Work Actionpacker #2 [Larry #2]
# Pipe  [Katrina #1]
+
# Screed stakes [Katrina #1]
 
# Antenna [Katrina #2]
 
# Antenna [Katrina #2]
 
# Katrina gear [Katrina #3]
 
# Katrina gear [Katrina #3]
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* hip waders
 
* hip waders
 
* hiking boots
 
* hiking boots
 +
* gaiters
  
 
Outerwear and such
 
Outerwear and such
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* first aid kit
 
* first aid kit
  
===Stuff to bring out to Council that is currently in Nome storage===
+
===Stuff to bring out to Council /  Kougarok that is currently in Nome storage===
 
* Hand Maul
 
* Hand Maul
*  
+
* Food, kitchenware
 +
* Anything else?
 +
* Vehicle Safety Gear:
 +
** jumper cables
 +
** tow rope
 +
* garbage bags
 +
* soldering iron
 +
* bag o' hose clamps
 +
* bear spray
 +
* jingle bells
 +
* shotgun shells
 +
* Water Jug
 +
* Cooler for veggies etc.
  
===Stuff to bring out to Kougarok that is currently in Nome storage===
 
* Food, stove, kitchenware
 
* Anything else?
 
 
=== Fleshing out the antenna setup===
 
=== Fleshing out the antenna setup===
Use Unistrut.  Bolt the antenna to two parallel unistrut pieces.  Secure the unistrut to the anemometer bars.
+
====Anvil====
 +
Use all unistrut.  Bolt the antenna to one long vertically oriented unistrut piece.  Secure the unistrut to the anemometer bars with a ubolt or two.  Attach a second piece of unistrut horizontally oriented on the antenna and ubolt the free end of this to the tripod base such that the antenna is pointed in the direction of the opposite repeater. Also, probably will need to drill / grind out a slot a bit to get two bolts into the unistrut on the antenna end.<br>
 +
Parts<br>
 +
* 1 pcs 10' unistrut
 +
* 1 pcs 5' unistrut
 +
* 4 pcs 3/8" x 3/4" bolts
 +
* 3 pcs ubolts
 +
* antenna
 +
* antenna coax
 +
* rubber splicing tape
 +
* electrical tape
 +
* compass
 +
====Kig2====
 +
Come down from the anemometer horizontal members with a 5 foot piece of unistrut.  ubolt it twice to the anemometer members.  Use the pipe that is already up there to secure the antenna to.  Ubolt the pipe to the unistrut.  Pile rocks on the bottom part of the pipe.<br>
 +
''To bring:''
 +
* 1 pcs 5' unistrut
 +
* 4 pcs ubolts
 +
* rubber splicing tape
 +
* electrical tape
 +
* compass
 +
* several large hose clamps for the solar panel
 +
''Already there:''
 +
* 1 pcs pipe cross arm with extras
 +
* 1 antenna
 +
* antenna coax
  
 
===Station by Station to do===
 
===Station by Station to do===
 +
Kenji's Bear Creek Thermokarst
 +
* download data
 +
* replace battery
 +
* restart logger
 +
 
C1 Grid
 
C1 Grid
 
* Download data
 
* Download data
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* Drill hole in Battery Box for water to drain
 
* Drill hole in Battery Box for water to drain
 
* new precip stand
 
* new precip stand
 +
* Trim vegetation below snow sensor
  
 
C2 Blueberry
 
C2 Blueberry
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** Bring new 014A and 2 hose clamps
 
** Bring new 014A and 2 hose clamps
 
** Replace HMP45C Head (1m, 3m, 10m), make note of new serial numbers
 
** Replace HMP45C Head (1m, 3m, 10m), make note of new serial numbers
 +
** Trim vegetation below snow sensor
 
* Potential additional Sensor Maintenance
 
* Potential additional Sensor Maintenance
 
** SM40 cmbgs
 
** SM40 cmbgs
  
  
Council Vlad Forest
+
Council Vlad Forest (optional)
 
* Location: [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=N64+54%27+24.7%22+W163+40%27+40.4%22&sll=64.841714,-163.697062&sspn=0.0266,0.068579&ie=UTF8&ll=64.907458,-163.677664&spn=0.026535,0.068579&t=h&z=14 N64 54' 24.7" W163 40' 40.4"]
 
* Location: [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=N64+54%27+24.7%22+W163+40%27+40.4%22&sll=64.841714,-163.697062&sspn=0.0266,0.068579&ie=UTF8&ll=64.907458,-163.677664&spn=0.026535,0.068579&t=h&z=14 N64 54' 24.7" W163 40' 40.4"]
 
* Download CR10X Data
 
* Download CR10X Data
  
Council Vlad Shrub
+
Council Vlad Shrub (optional)
 
* Location: [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=N64+56%27+5.3%22+W163+44%27+16.7%22&sll=64.907458,-163.677664&sspn=0.026535,0.068579&ie=UTF8&ll=64.923105,-163.736973&spn=0.053039,0.137157&t=h&z=13 N64 56' 5.3" W163 44' 16.7"]
 
* Location: [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=N64+56%27+5.3%22+W163+44%27+16.7%22&sll=64.907458,-163.677664&sspn=0.026535,0.068579&ie=UTF8&ll=64.923105,-163.736973&spn=0.053039,0.137157&t=h&z=13 N64 56' 5.3" W163 44' 16.7"]
 
* Download CR10X Data
 
* Download CR10X Data
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* Check out Site
 
* Check out Site
 
* add program instruction to turn off radios
 
* add program instruction to turn off radios
* Kenji's Hobo
+
* Kenji's Hobos
 +
** download data
 +
** replace battery
 +
** restart logger
 +
 
 
Kigluaiks 1
 
Kigluaiks 1
 
* Replace Radio
 
* Replace Radio
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* add program instruction to turn off radio
 
* add program instruction to turn off radio
 
* Review Data
 
* Review Data
 +
* install directional antenna
 +
** Unistrut
 +
** ubolts
 +
** large hose clamps for SP?
  
 
K1 Burn
 
K1 Burn
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* Replace HMP45C Head (1m, 3m), note serial numbers
 
* Replace HMP45C Head (1m, 3m), note serial numbers
 
* new precip stand
 
* new precip stand
 +
* Trim vegetation below snow sensor
  
 
K1 Burn Snow
 
K1 Burn Snow
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* send new program to turn off radio
 
* send new program to turn off radio
 
* Thaw Depth measurements at site
 
* Thaw Depth measurements at site
* Storage Module addition?
+
* Storage Module addition... yes.
 
* Replace HMP45C Head (1m, 3m, 10m) and record new serial numbers
 
* Replace HMP45C Head (1m, 3m, 10m) and record new serial numbers
 
* new precip stand
 
* new precip stand
 +
* Trim vegetation below snow sensor
  
 
K2 Met Snow
 
K2 Met Snow
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* Replace HMP45C Head (1m, 3m) and record new serial numbers
 
* Replace HMP45C Head (1m, 3m) and record new serial numbers
 
* send new program to turn off radio
 
* send new program to turn off radio
 +
* Trim vegetation below snow sensor
  
Saito / Harada Kougarok Sites
+
Saito / Harada / Kenji Kougarok Sites
 
* Swap Hobos
 
* Swap Hobos
 
+
* At borehole
Nome Highschool
+
** download data
* Check on site
+
** replace battery
 +
** restart hobo
  
 
===Potential Itinerary: Katrina & Bob===
 
===Potential Itinerary: Katrina & Bob===
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   o bear spray
 
   o bear spray
 
   o soldering iron
 
   o soldering iron
+ Go up to Anvil and check it out
 
  o Turn Radio on and leave flag 1 high
 
  o download data and look @ WS/WD, AT/RH
 
  o add second radio
 
 
  + shop for food?
 
  + shop for food?
 
  + Dinner with Dan Stang
 
  + Dinner with Dan Stang
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8/15, Day 2
 
8/15, Day 2
 
  + Katrina departs Fairbanks (9am) for Nome (1pm)
 
  + Katrina departs Fairbanks (9am) for Nome (1pm)
 +
+ '''visit hardware store and pick up unistrut'''
 
  + Anvil City Station Visit (if time... Kenji's site, too)
 
  + Anvil City Station Visit (if time... Kenji's site, too)
 
  + 3pm NGEE community meeting
 
  + 3pm NGEE community meeting
 +
+ Go up to Anvil and check it out
 +
  o Turn Radio on and leave flag 1 high
 +
  o download data and look @ WS/WD, AT/RH
 +
  o add second radio
 
  + Stay @ hotel
 
  + Stay @ hotel
  
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  + Gas up in Nome
 
  + Gas up in Nome
  
Next Several days modified by the possibility of a helicopter in Kougarok.<br>
 
 
8/17 Day 4
 
8/17 Day 4
 
  + Nome to Kougarouk is about 2.5 - 3 hours driving.
 
  + Nome to Kougarouk is about 2.5 - 3 hours driving.
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  + Return truck
 
  + Return truck
 
  + Return to Fairbanks (10am)
 
  + Return to Fairbanks (10am)
 +
 +
 +
====Notes from Kenji====
 +
 +
 +
 +
Todd -> next to the gravel road see the pipe stick up. 10m one is very clear, no vegetation.  the other is near willows.  look for the top of th epipe then loggers are inside the pipe.<br><br>
 +
 +
'''Kougarok'''<br>
 +
two locations tussock the other site is a bit lower flat f
 +
tussock harder to see than flat site.<br><br>
 +
 +
'''Bear Creek'''<br>
 +
just before bridge there is some tundra.  can park on the higher spot.  usually right side of the lake next to the road. see white spruce at thermokarst site.
 +
bottom of the white spruce miliatry army box hobo is inside
 +
lake is next to road.  Matt's thesis is the lake.  go around the right side of the lake.  nearest white spruce tree.    may have a flag or a pipe. 
 +
 +
Larry may remember the spot

Latest revision as of 20:50, 13 August 2011

Pre-trip to do

  • order new anemometers
  • Program Edit (radio turn off flag addition)
  • Grinder bit for unistrut (antenna unistrut)
  • (track down) 9/16" Deep Socket

Things to buy

  • Bit o' Food?
    • bread & peanut butter (lunch)
    • coke
    • yogurt & granola (breakfast)
    • veggies
    • ice
  • buy unistrut for Anvil locally.

Stuff to bring out

Other

  • Charge 2 Truck days to CPS PO
  • Charge all hotel nights to CPS PO

Equipment

  • (packed) 2 Anemometers
  • (packed) 12 HMP45c heads
  • (packed) Net Radiometer Domes
  • (packed) 4 Tees
  • (packed) screed stakes
  • (tape up) 3/4" pipe & unistrut
  • (packed) 12 hoseclamps
  • (packed) Dry Dessicant
  • (packed) replacement radios
  • (packed) 1 serial cable for K3
  • (packed) 6pcs SR50A
  • (packed) 1pcs SR50
  • Antenna all fixed up for Anvil & extra radio / relay
    • (packed) Radio Coax for Anvil 2
    • (packed) relay
    • (packed) antenna
  • (packed) spare coax

Technical Gear

  • (packed) Shotgun
  • (packed) Keypad
  • (packed) Tool Bags
  • (in office) Computer & (packed) SC32B
  • (packed) Climbing harness
  • (packed) grinding bits
  • (packed) Serial Cables & spares
  • (packed) NRS straps for battery boxes
  • (shelved for this trip) A couple of replacement brown tarps
  • (packed) Sawzall
  • (packed) drill

Food to bring out

  • DIY this one for nights / days out of town
  • Breakfast / Lunch Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday
  • Dinner Wednesday, Thursday, Friday

Probable Luggage

  1. Shotgun [Bob #1]
  2. Bob Personal backpack [Bob #2]
  3. Work Actionpacker #1 [Bob #3]
  4. Pipe [Larry #1]
  5. Work Actionpacker #2 [Larry #2]
  6. Screed stakes [Katrina #1]
  7. Antenna [Katrina #2]
  8. Katrina gear [Katrina #3]

A sampling of Personal Gear

Clothes:

  • 8 Underoos (one for every day plus a few more)
  • 2 pair extra socks
  • 1 pair extra pants
  • 1 - 2 extra shirts
  • 2 pair sock liners
  • light poly pro long underwear, 1 bottom, 2 tops
  • shorts

Footwear and such:

  • rubber boots
  • sandals
  • hip waders
  • hiking boots
  • gaiters

Outerwear and such

  • couple pairs of light gloves
  • heavy rain pants
  • rain coat
  • large flannel shirt
  • extra fleece jacket (one or two)
  • probably a light fleece vest
  • ultra light wind breaker (this is my base layer)
  • fleece hat or two

Other stuff:

  • water proof bag(s)
  • large daypack
  • 1 - 3 Liters of water bottles
  • Sleeping bag & pad
  • toothbrush
  • camera
  • regular size ipod if you have one (for rocking in the car)
  • field book
  • camera (if you have one)
  • cell phone (probably will work out there depending on your provider or you can use mine)
  • tent
  • first aid kit

Stuff to bring out to Council / Kougarok that is currently in Nome storage

  • Hand Maul
  • Food, kitchenware
  • Anything else?
  • Vehicle Safety Gear:
    • jumper cables
    • tow rope
  • garbage bags
  • soldering iron
  • bag o' hose clamps
  • bear spray
  • jingle bells
  • shotgun shells
  • Water Jug
  • Cooler for veggies etc.

Fleshing out the antenna setup

Anvil

Use all unistrut. Bolt the antenna to one long vertically oriented unistrut piece. Secure the unistrut to the anemometer bars with a ubolt or two. Attach a second piece of unistrut horizontally oriented on the antenna and ubolt the free end of this to the tripod base such that the antenna is pointed in the direction of the opposite repeater. Also, probably will need to drill / grind out a slot a bit to get two bolts into the unistrut on the antenna end.
Parts

  • 1 pcs 10' unistrut
  • 1 pcs 5' unistrut
  • 4 pcs 3/8" x 3/4" bolts
  • 3 pcs ubolts
  • antenna
  • antenna coax
  • rubber splicing tape
  • electrical tape
  • compass

Kig2

Come down from the anemometer horizontal members with a 5 foot piece of unistrut. ubolt it twice to the anemometer members. Use the pipe that is already up there to secure the antenna to. Ubolt the pipe to the unistrut. Pile rocks on the bottom part of the pipe.
To bring:

  • 1 pcs 5' unistrut
  • 4 pcs ubolts
  • rubber splicing tape
  • electrical tape
  • compass
  • several large hose clamps for the solar panel

Already there:

  • 1 pcs pipe cross arm with extras
  • 1 antenna
  • antenna coax

Station by Station to do

Kenji's Bear Creek Thermokarst

  • download data
  • replace battery
  • restart logger

C1 Grid

  • Download data
  • Review Data
  • Connect new soil temperature probe
  • Send new program to measure temperature probe
    • Bring out voltage divider
    • also make program change to manually turn off radio after downloads.
  • Replace domes on net radiometer
  • Level Radiometer
  • Replace Radio
  • Leave Radio in ON position, Flag 1 High
  • Replace SR50A, make note of new serial number
  • Replace HMP45C Head (1m, 3m), make note of new serial numbers
  • Drill hole in Battery Box for water to drain
  • new precip stand
  • Trim vegetation below snow sensor

C2 Blueberry

  • Computer Related
    • Download Data
    • Review Data
    • Leave Radio in ON position, Flag 1 High
    • add program instruction to turn off radio
  • Physical
    • new precip stand
    • Replace domes on net radiometer
    • Level Radiometers
    • Replace Radio
    • Replace SR50A, make note of new serial number
    • Replace Met One 014A, make note of new serial number
    • Bring new 014A and 2 hose clamps
    • Replace HMP45C Head (1m, 3m, 10m), make note of new serial numbers
    • Trim vegetation below snow sensor
  • Potential additional Sensor Maintenance
    • SM40 cmbgs


Council Vlad Forest (optional)

Council Vlad Shrub (optional)

Skookum

  • Replace Radio
  • Leave Radio in ON position, Flag 1 High
  • add program instruction to turn off radio

Anvil

  • Leave Radio in ON position, Flag 1 High
  • Add a second radio & antenna
  • Test comms to Kig 1 & 2
  • Download Data
  • Review Data
  • add program instruction to turn off radios

Anvil City

  • Check out Site
  • add program instruction to turn off radios
  • Kenji's Hobos
    • download data
    • replace battery
    • restart logger

Kigluaiks 1

  • Replace Radio
  • Leave Radio in ON position, Flag 1 High
  • Check antenna orientation, test comms with Anvil & Koug sites
  • add program instruction to turn off radio
  • Review Data

Kigluaiks 2

  • Leave Radio in ON position
  • Test comms with Anvil
  • Download Data
  • add program instruction to turn off radio
  • Review Data
  • install directional antenna
    • Unistrut
    • ubolts
    • large hose clamps for SP?

K1 Burn

  • Replace domes on net radiometer
  • Relevel Net Radiometer
  • Replace Radio
  • Replace SR50A Transducer, not serial number
  • add program instruction to turn radio of
  • Leave Radio in ON position, Flag 1 High
  • Replace Tarp
  • Download Data
  • Storage Module addition?
  • Replace HMP45C Head (1m, 3m), note serial numbers
  • new precip stand
  • Trim vegetation below snow sensor

K1 Burn Snow

  • Download Data
  • Review Data

K2 Met

  • Download Data
  • Review Data
  • Replace domes on net radiometer
  • Replace Radio
  • Replace SR50A and record serial number
  • Relevel Radiometer Tower & Net Radiometer
  • Leave Radio in ON position, Flag 1 High
  • send new program to turn off radio
  • Thaw Depth measurements at site
  • Storage Module addition... yes.
  • Replace HMP45C Head (1m, 3m, 10m) and record new serial numbers
  • new precip stand
  • Trim vegetation below snow sensor

K2 Met Snow

  • Download Data
  • Review Data


K3 Mauze

  • Download Data
  • Review Data
  • Replace Radio
  • Leave Radio in ON position, Flag 1 High
  • replace radiometer domes
  • Relevel Net Radiometer
  • Replace SR50 Transducer
    • be prepared to put in an SR50A if the SR50 has been hammered by a bear again
  • Replace HMP45C Head (1m, 3m) and record new serial numbers
  • send new program to turn off radio
  • Trim vegetation below snow sensor

Saito / Harada / Kenji Kougarok Sites

  • Swap Hobos
  • At borehole
    • download data
    • replace battery
    • restart hobo

Potential Itinerary: Katrina & Bob

8/14, Day 1

+ Bob departs Fairbanks (8am) for Nome (1pm)
+ Rent Truck
+ Swing by storage pick up:
  o bear spray
  o soldering iron
+ shop for food?
+ Dinner with Dan Stang

8/15, Day 2

+ Katrina departs Fairbanks (9am) for Nome (1pm)
+ visit hardware store and pick up unistrut
+ Anvil City Station Visit (if time... Kenji's site, too)
+ 3pm NGEE community meeting
+ Go up to Anvil and check it out
  o Turn Radio on and leave flag 1 high
  o download data and look @ WS/WD, AT/RH
  o add second radio
+ Stay @ hotel

8/16 Day 3

+ Drive to Council (~70 miles one-way, ~2hours drive time)
+ Site Visit to Skookum (2/3rd along the way)
+ Site Visit to C1 Grid
+ Vlad Shrub (maybe)
+ Vlad Forest (maybe)
+ NGEE Tour
+ Site Visit to C2 Blueberry
+ Site Visit to Bear Creek Thermokarst (Kenji Site)
+ Return to Nome
+ Gas up in Nome

8/17 Day 4

+ Nome to Kougarouk is about 2.5 - 3 hours driving.
+ Drive to Kigluaiks (about 1.5 hours from Nome)
+ Site Visit to K3 (if time) (~6 miles round trip hike)
+ Camp / stay @ cabin

8/18 Day 5

+ Paddle across Kougarok River, unless stage is low(getting stuff into the canoe will be the most time consuming bit) 
+ Site Visit to K1 (~ 9 miles round trip from beach head)
+ Site Visit to K2 (~2 miles round trip from beachhead)
+ Site Visit to Saito / Harada site east of Kougarok (if time)  (~2 miles round trip from Bridge)
+ Site Visit to Kenji borehole (same area as Saito / Harada)

8/19 Day 6

+ Wrap up any unvisited sites in Kougarok
 o probably will have K3 and Harada site to visit
+ Return to Nome
+ Put stuff back into storage

8/20 Day 7

+ Return truck
+ Return to Fairbanks (10am)


Notes from Kenji

Todd -> next to the gravel road see the pipe stick up. 10m one is very clear, no vegetation. the other is near willows. look for the top of th epipe then loggers are inside the pipe.

Kougarok
two locations tussock the other site is a bit lower flat f tussock harder to see than flat site.

Bear Creek
just before bridge there is some tundra. can park on the higher spot. usually right side of the lake next to the road. see white spruce at thermokarst site. bottom of the white spruce miliatry army box hobo is inside lake is next to road. Matt's thesis is the lake. go around the right side of the lake. nearest white spruce tree. may have a flag or a pipe.

Larry may remember the spot